Tuesday, October 2, 2007

Heresy In The Closet

About a year ago, I was looking on Ebay for some books to buy when I came across an interesting sale. It was a set of 12 hard covered books comprising a Bible commentary set. Rushed by there being only 2 minutes left in the sale, and wooed by a very reasonable price, I pulled the trigger and clicked on the “bid” button. And lucky me, … I won.

So a couple weeks later my boxes arrived, and excitedly I opened them only to have the authors name on the top book jump off the cover and hit me between the eyes:

“Ellen G. White”

For those who don’t know, Ellen G. White was a former leader and Prophetess of the Seventh Day Adventists. I might as well have ordered Joseph Smith’s 24-volume commentary on the Book of Mormon and The Pearl of Great Price. I felt like such a chump.

So I still have the books buried deep in my closet with heavy objects on the boxes so there is no chance of one if them getting out and grabbing one of my kids, but it’s time they go. So I’ve decided to let you all decide what I should do with them. I figure these are my options:

1. Donate the books to the Seventh Day Adventist church in the neighboring town as an act of goodwill.
2. Put the books back up on Ebay for sale.
3. Throw away or destroy the books.

Now, being that the Seventh Day Adventists have a deep anti-Catholic aspect to their beliefs (they refer to Rome as, “Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots…” for example) do I enable the spread of these ideas by choosing #1 or worse yet possibly profit by it by choosing #2? Am I obligated morally to choose #3?

And before anyone begins to worry, I’m not exactly losing sleep over this. Just thought it would be interesting to hear your thoughts.


swissmiss said...

I would toss them in the garbage and chalk it up to a lessons learned experience.

Or, there is Option 4, join the Seventh Day Adventists ;}

Laura The Crazy Mama said...

I think it would be funny to sell them on ebay...but with a twist. You should "advertise" them with the truth. That they are anti-Catholic and a brief description of why. That way, people are fairly warned, have gotten a bit of education on the matter, and still can buy them maybe out of curiosity (with the information you gave them in their heads, they can't help but see the books for what they are)! Everybody wins!

MrsMom said...

I say throw them out! I am sure your wife would thank you for it!!! :)

Laura The Crazy Mama said...

Yeah, you're right, MRS...maybe you should have a bonfire this weekend?

Amy Caroline said...

You know I had this same problem not too long ago. I had purchased the Story of the World book 2. Now some people love these books but after I read the down right lies in the second book and the unbiased opinion regarding Elizabeth I, I decided I couldn't even sell them, because that would just perpetuate the lies. So I threw them out. I hate wasting books and money! I drove me batty but it was the right thing to do.

Anonymous said...

Toss them quietly. The bonfire is probably the correct approach given the content, but anytime one sees a book burning it's kind of disturbing....

Serviam! said...

lauara the crazy mama, please don't give my wife any ideas.

She's not by nature the most stable individual, and we've had a devil of a time lately trying to her med levels right.

She may look calm on the surface, but juuuust beneath that, ...

MrsMom said...

Wow, Mr. Serviam . . . I would watch that kind of talk, especially if she is as unstable as you say. :p

Anonymous said...

You should give them to the local advent church. They will put them on a shelf somewhere and no one will ever read them (I assure you this is true, the old ones have their minds made up and the young ones don't care) This way it can take up space in they're church and they will have to worry about moving them around for the rest of eternity!

swissmiss said...

Amy Caroline:
My oldest is only 4, but I had really looked into the SotW books and planned to use them. Didn't know they were so biased. Thanks for the heads up!

Mike said...

Donate them to your local Seventh Day Adventist Church,,,or just ask yourself "what would Jesus do?".

Anonymous said...

I say, why not check them out yourself and see how off SDA doctrine is? More wisdom to convert one?

Anonymous said...

It's been a while since this blog was posted. I wonder what became of the books. However, I thought you and the readers of your blog would be interested to read these quote directly from Ellen White:

“There is no excuse for anyone in taking the position that there is not more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth cannot afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation.” (Counsels to Writers and Editors, 35, 1892)

“...Whenever the people of God are growing in grace, they will be constantly obtaining a clearer understanding of His Word. But as real spiritual life declines, it has ever been the tendency to cease to advance in the knowledge of the truth. Men rest satisfied with the light already received from God's Word, and discourage any further investigation of the Scriptures. They become conservative, and seek to avoid discussion... Many now, as in ancient times,... will hold to tradition, and worship they know what... When God's people are at ease, and satisfied with their present enlightenment, we may be sure that He will not favor them. (CWE, 38-41)

God and heaven are infallible. Those who think that they will never have to give up a cherished view, never have occasion to change an opinion, will be disappointed.” (CWE, 37)

Perhaps one of the most interesting statement from Mrs. White is this: "He who beholds Christ in His self-denial, His lowliness of heart, will be constrained to say, as did Daniel, when he beheld One like the sons of men, "My comeliness was turned in me into corruption." Daniel 10:8. The independence and self-supremacy in which we glory are seen in their true vileness as tokens of servitude to Satan. Human nature is ever struggling for expression, ready for contest; but he who learns of Christ is emptied of self, of pride, of love of supremacy, and there is silence in the soul. Self is yielded to the disposal of the Holy Spirit. Then we are not anxious to have the highest place. We have no ambition to crowd and elbow ourselves into notice; but we feel that our highest place is at the feet of our Saviour. We look to Jesus, waiting for His hand to lead, listening for His voice to guide. The apostle Paul had this experience, and he said, "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave Himself for me." Galatians 2:20."

It would be appropriate to be reminded that it was a Catholic priest who first identified the Medieval Catholic Church as the beast in Revelation. More specifically, Dr. Martin Luther read the Bible which in those days was literally chained inside the Church building to deny access to common folks to understand its truth for themselves. He discovered that people do not need to confess sins to another man, but can go directly to God through Jesus Christ our Mediator.

He also read Revelation 13 and discovered that the beast that comes out of the sea (among other characteristics) was a religio-geo-polical power. Historically, the only institution that fits this description is the Vatican, a Church and State power whose principles are against the constitution of the United States of America. For this reason, Dr. Luther was threatened with losing his life for advocating what he had prayerfully discovered in the Holy Scriptures.

Dr. Luther was asked to recant. His response was based on a principle that we hold dear in these United States and that Catholism has historically denied to the western world what eventually retaliated with the exile of the Pope in 1798, ending a period of 1260 years of human rights abuse. This same number is found in Rev. 12: 6.

Here is Dr. Luther's Response: "Unless I am convinced by proofs from Scriptures or by plain and clear reasons and arguments, I can and will not retract, for it is neither safe nor wise to do anything against conscience. Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen."

If it hadn't been for the German princes, the holy infallible pope would have silenced his voice. The rest is history. God used Luther to successfully expose the inhumane abuses against the people of Europe and Christians from many lands protested against the atrocities of the Church. Protestants, to escape retribution from the wrath of the Church came to America to practice freedom of religion.

Galileo Galileo was pardoned in 1998. He went against the church and retracted from his theory that the world is round in order to save his life. Luther did not retracted. Today, Protestants enjoy their freedom of religion and hold on to the Biblical truth that we are saved by faith in the sacrifice of Jesus as Ellen G. White wrote in the 1800's. However, we know that our freedom will be coming to and end soon as we understand from the Scriptures that a great time of tribulation is coming to our world and a darkness of spiritual truth will engulf our world. The Great Harlot, Babylon is preparing to run one last inquisition against the citizens of this planet prior to the Secon Coming of Jesus Christ, Who alone is Holy and infallible. Anything contrary to this biblical teaching is heresy.

If still have those commentaries, read them along with the Scripture and find out for yourself if they are heresy or not. How else can you be sure? If they are no longer in your possession, open the holy Scriptures and ask God's Spirit to lead to into truth. It is heresy to teach that tradition and ecclesiastic authority are above the Bible.

May the Lord bless you and your readers richly. And may we find ourselves entering the pearly gates. Sincerely, Victor :-)

P/S: I notice that the comments are moderated. I hope the Lord would give you wisdom as you make the choice to publish my statement that others can judge for themselves.

Laura The Crazy Mama said...

Yeah, Luther was a regular holy genius. It's just been so great in the Christian world to have all this unity that Christ wanted, hasn't it? I've always felt a certain kinship with him, you know, being I'm of German descent and I always get my best ideas on the crapper, too.

Joshua 24:15 said...

To Anonymous: in several lines you capitalize Scripture and Word like you understand them to be something special... Where do you get such ideas?

Anonymous said...

In reading the comments posted here, I would ask this question. Why is information so threatening to anyone IF you already know what you think is truth and feel strong enough to stand with that idea? It would seem to me that if all mankind had avoided any new information throughout all time, we would not have Christianity. Did not Jesus bring new ideas to the Hebrew people and their leaders?
I am not implying that this woman, White, who is not familiar to me, has any great truths. Maybe she does, but the condemnation of a way of worship associated with her out of hand seems very narrow-minded and, just might close one off from a possible growth or truth.
If you have never had chocolate chip cookies and know the wonderful taste, should you ban the recipe?

Anonymous said...

Read for yourself and make that determination based on the Holy Spirit's guidance. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide you. May God bless you.

Germanicus said...

Read this first http://www.classicreader.com/read.php/bookid.1796/sec.2/